Recently, I reluctantly found myself in a discussion about weapons control with an ardent supporter of "gun rights." It was at times tense, as three people present supported weapons control, and only one claimed to not. During the discussion, I rarely argued against the statements of the pro-weapons side, instead trying to understand what the solutions are to the obvious problems, rather than disputing difficult to understand "facts." In the weeks afterwards, I have given this discussion a fair amount of thought, and I have been exposed to a fair amount of media about firearms in America. I would not say that my views have changed on the subject, but the some of my observations have been enhanced.
First, on the topic of the weapons control, and where I agreed with some of the ideas of the weapons advocate side. The person, who will remain anonymous since their views are represented only through my interpretation, supported holding weapons owners responsible for actions carried out with their weapons, supported more stringent requirements for concealed carry permits, and considered liability insurance requirements for weapons, provided it was not handed down from the government. I would include all of those things under the broad umbrella of weapons control, but the weapons advocate did not, so it seems to me that one of the major problems are the words "gun control." So by a name other than gun control, we agreed that carrying a concealed weapon should require more training than giving CPR.
I did not seek to use numbers in the discussion, just the American experience. For those of you who were wondering why fully automatic weapons are not readily available in this country, the answer is Bonnie and Clyde. Today these bandits are probably better known for the Hollywood movie than for their actual crimes, but during their time their crimes were more infamous than the yet to be made movie. Their story is actually heartbreaking because one has to wonder if the State of Texas had protected Clyde from being raped and beaten in prison if he would have gone on the killing spree in the first place. For me, Bonnie and Clyde is an important lesson in the need for people to be civil, but I digress from weapons control. Bonnie and Clyde famously used fully automatic weapons. The US government, in response to the incidents, made ownership of fully automatic weapons difficult and costly, such that fewer and fewer people owned these weapons. Along the lines of 50 years after Bonnie and Clyde, the US effectively banned fully automatic weapons (they can still be owned, but for our purposes, I think it is safe to say they have been banned). Today, nearly 8 decades after their deaths, and with nearly 8 decades of heavy regulation of automatic weapons, very few crimes are committed using these weapons. In fact, I do not think I can name a mass shooting that has been carried out using an automatic weapon in recent times. The list of mass shootings carried out by semi-automatic weapons is astonishing. In fact, not just mass shootings, but firearm crime in general seems largely perpetrated using semi-automatic handguns. Thus, when we regulate firearms with legislation like the assault weapons ban, it seems that we are not regulating for today, tomorrow, or ten years from now, but for the lives of people living 100 years from now. I think Americans have solidly proven that weapons control works.
In the face of this argument, the only response is hiding in numbers, which is what the NRA does, and what my debate opponent did. The most popular number, currently, seems to be that since 2006 weapons sales in Virginia have increased, and violent crime has decreased. Finding the actual numbers is really difficult. Finding numbers that are phony and confuse the issue is easy. An example of phony numbers is an infographic that divides violent crime incidence by percent of households with loaded weapons. Violent crime incidence ranges from 100-800 per 100,000, and percent of households with loaded weapons ranges from 1 to 13%. If, purely hypothetically, one state had a violent crime rate of 100 and 1% of households had loaded weapons this method would return 100 units. A state with a violent crime rate of 800 with 13% of homes containing a loaded weapon would return 62. According to this analysis, it is safer to live in a highly armed state with a high violent crime rate, than it is to live in a state with few weapons and a low violent crime rate. The person making this argument is either stupid or a liar, to combat cynicism, I will just call them stupid. These fake numbers do not shed any light of the NRA's well-armed home state of Virginia, and the gun sales versus violent crime business (Virginia is twice as armed as Vermont, with a crime rate high enough that, even by the stupid analysis, is more dangerous than Vermont).
To begin, I think it is informative to discuss the time period. The decreasing violent crime and increasing weapons sales statistic is from 2006 to 2011. In 2007, in Virginia, 32 people were killed in a mass shooting at Virginia Tech. I do not think that the deadliest mass shooting at institution of learning ("school shooting") makes a good baseline for normalcy. In fact, I think it would be much more informative to look at longer records for both. Finding records for weapons sales is extremely difficult, since it is not tabulated by any agency, but it does seem that weapons sales surge every time a democrat is elected. Finding records for violent crime is fairly easy.
In the United States, violent crime has been decreasing since 1991. Regardless of this peak, the US murder rate, according to Claude Fischer, has declined since colonial times. Admittedly things get tricky going back to the beginning of the country, so focusing on the current decline in crime makes sense, beginning with the peak in 1991. There are many explanations for this decline. Police presence has increased, lead exposure in children has declined, prison population has increased, and abortion was legalized (Roe v. Wade was 1973, but the unwanted children who were aborted under the American freedom of choice would not become criminals for say, about 18 years). It is a complex problem with no clear answer, yet the NRA, and the person I was discussing this issue with, fully embrace that the reduction in crime in Virginia over the last five years is related only to increased weapons sales. This seems unlikely.
At one point during the discussion the weapons advocate was asked if they wanted children and teachers they knew to have to go to a school where they were safe only through the presence of more weapons, and to their credit, they answered yes. I am not sure what has happened to "family values," but wanting children to be educated in a war zone does not seem to fit the idea of loving nurture. In fact, from my understanding of the Secret Service's analysis of school shootings and successful intervention/prevention of school shootings, the most important factors are not armed guards and metal detectors, but making students feel welcome, appreciated, listened to, and, dare I say, loved. While I have no desire to slander the brave men and women who protect this country at home and abroad, I have never felt love and acceptance from people who are armed.
A prime example of my lack of trust for armed protectors did not become obvious to me until I began to spend significant time in other nations. When traveling in unfamiliar places, one will become lost. I have, numerous times, asked unarmed police officers for help, and I have always been treated with respect, and felt welcome and appreciated by unarmed police. I have never felt comfortable asking armed police for directions. In Chile, I encountered two types of federal police, friendly, approachable, unarmed police who helped me more than once find my way, and intimidating, unapproachable, heavily armed police who I avoided as if they were gangsters. This was the same country, the same police force, presumably the same training, and the armed ones made me take chances being lost in clearly unsavory neighborhoods, rather than asking for help. All of these police have been on foot, making them very accessible. In the US police are almost always armed, and when they are not in armored cars, they are often astride horses. Horse or car, these police are physically difficult to approach, and armed. I have never approached an American police officer for help. Given my reaction to armed compared to unarmed police, the very suggestion of putting weapons in schools gives me the chills.
In fact, I find it unimaginable to have weapons in schools for other reasons. I will come back to the obvious one that children and tools capable of causing death do not mix. I will begin by stating that in Junior High one of my teachers pulled a knife on me. He was trying to prove a point, because he had heard that in another class I had mentioned that one has to try to think about situations other than your own when trying to understand gun control. He decided that my Constitutional right to free speech and my right to a safe school environment was less important than his right to declare the Constitution 27 words long. This teacher pulled out a knife, and proceeded to point the knife at me, and say "what if I was coming at you with a knife"? Escaping him, apparently, was that he was "coming at me with a knife," and I peacefully responded. He then decided I should be the attacker, and tried to make me take his knife, I refused. The teacher did not lose his job, nor was he reprimanded, and perhaps if there were an unarmed police officer I would have felt safe enough to ask for help. In my mind though, I ask the question, "what if he had a firearm"? Most teachers do not threaten their students with weapons, but I experienced one who did, and I think we should carefully consider what it means to put firearms in the classroom.
My discussion partner found it unimaginable that I would find armed individuals more intimidating than unarmed people. He said that schools would be safer with firearms. I asked how he imagined paying for all of these armed officers in schools, he said you could find plenty of qualified volunteers. In fact, one school did that. After the Newtown tragedy, a school, I forget where, recruited a retired police officer and firearms safety instructor to patrol the halls, armed. The new security measure left his weapon unattended in a restroom, accessible to children. No child found the weapon, and no one was hurt, but certainly it proves the point that firearms do not belong in schools. The weapons advocate was unimpressed.
Weeks after this talk, I would watch a massive manhunt for a former LAPD officer and military member in Southern California on the news. As the death toll rose, and the cost to tax payers to keep people safe from someone who was not only a law-abiding citizen (up to the point he stopped abiding laws), but a trained protector of the weak, I could not help but recall what the qualifications the weapons advocate said could be required to be a volunteer armed guard in a school. "Former soldiers and police officers" would be more than willing to volunteer for this task I was told. No background checks, mental health exams, or further control would be necessary. I could not help but wonder what it would be like if this person had begun his rampage in a school, with a school issued firearm.
This, I think, brings up an important point. The difference between a law-abiding weapons owner and a criminal is simply breaking the law. Admittedly, we have different levels of laws in this country. Most Americans think nothing of speeding, but speed limits are laws, so are any of us truly 100% law abiding? If one rose up against a law that one deemed unconstitutional, would that person be law abiding? Everyone is law abiding until they first break the law. So should the law abiding weapons owner be inconvenienced by the fact that they are making it easier for themselves to become dangerous? I think so, but what is more important is that finding people who are likely to break the law is extremely challenging.
--Part II - Fear will be posted on Monday 4 March.--
First, on the topic of the weapons control, and where I agreed with some of the ideas of the weapons advocate side. The person, who will remain anonymous since their views are represented only through my interpretation, supported holding weapons owners responsible for actions carried out with their weapons, supported more stringent requirements for concealed carry permits, and considered liability insurance requirements for weapons, provided it was not handed down from the government. I would include all of those things under the broad umbrella of weapons control, but the weapons advocate did not, so it seems to me that one of the major problems are the words "gun control." So by a name other than gun control, we agreed that carrying a concealed weapon should require more training than giving CPR.
I did not seek to use numbers in the discussion, just the American experience. For those of you who were wondering why fully automatic weapons are not readily available in this country, the answer is Bonnie and Clyde. Today these bandits are probably better known for the Hollywood movie than for their actual crimes, but during their time their crimes were more infamous than the yet to be made movie. Their story is actually heartbreaking because one has to wonder if the State of Texas had protected Clyde from being raped and beaten in prison if he would have gone on the killing spree in the first place. For me, Bonnie and Clyde is an important lesson in the need for people to be civil, but I digress from weapons control. Bonnie and Clyde famously used fully automatic weapons. The US government, in response to the incidents, made ownership of fully automatic weapons difficult and costly, such that fewer and fewer people owned these weapons. Along the lines of 50 years after Bonnie and Clyde, the US effectively banned fully automatic weapons (they can still be owned, but for our purposes, I think it is safe to say they have been banned). Today, nearly 8 decades after their deaths, and with nearly 8 decades of heavy regulation of automatic weapons, very few crimes are committed using these weapons. In fact, I do not think I can name a mass shooting that has been carried out using an automatic weapon in recent times. The list of mass shootings carried out by semi-automatic weapons is astonishing. In fact, not just mass shootings, but firearm crime in general seems largely perpetrated using semi-automatic handguns. Thus, when we regulate firearms with legislation like the assault weapons ban, it seems that we are not regulating for today, tomorrow, or ten years from now, but for the lives of people living 100 years from now. I think Americans have solidly proven that weapons control works.
In the face of this argument, the only response is hiding in numbers, which is what the NRA does, and what my debate opponent did. The most popular number, currently, seems to be that since 2006 weapons sales in Virginia have increased, and violent crime has decreased. Finding the actual numbers is really difficult. Finding numbers that are phony and confuse the issue is easy. An example of phony numbers is an infographic that divides violent crime incidence by percent of households with loaded weapons. Violent crime incidence ranges from 100-800 per 100,000, and percent of households with loaded weapons ranges from 1 to 13%. If, purely hypothetically, one state had a violent crime rate of 100 and 1% of households had loaded weapons this method would return 100 units. A state with a violent crime rate of 800 with 13% of homes containing a loaded weapon would return 62. According to this analysis, it is safer to live in a highly armed state with a high violent crime rate, than it is to live in a state with few weapons and a low violent crime rate. The person making this argument is either stupid or a liar, to combat cynicism, I will just call them stupid. These fake numbers do not shed any light of the NRA's well-armed home state of Virginia, and the gun sales versus violent crime business (Virginia is twice as armed as Vermont, with a crime rate high enough that, even by the stupid analysis, is more dangerous than Vermont).
To begin, I think it is informative to discuss the time period. The decreasing violent crime and increasing weapons sales statistic is from 2006 to 2011. In 2007, in Virginia, 32 people were killed in a mass shooting at Virginia Tech. I do not think that the deadliest mass shooting at institution of learning ("school shooting") makes a good baseline for normalcy. In fact, I think it would be much more informative to look at longer records for both. Finding records for weapons sales is extremely difficult, since it is not tabulated by any agency, but it does seem that weapons sales surge every time a democrat is elected. Finding records for violent crime is fairly easy.
In the United States, violent crime has been decreasing since 1991. Regardless of this peak, the US murder rate, according to Claude Fischer, has declined since colonial times. Admittedly things get tricky going back to the beginning of the country, so focusing on the current decline in crime makes sense, beginning with the peak in 1991. There are many explanations for this decline. Police presence has increased, lead exposure in children has declined, prison population has increased, and abortion was legalized (Roe v. Wade was 1973, but the unwanted children who were aborted under the American freedom of choice would not become criminals for say, about 18 years). It is a complex problem with no clear answer, yet the NRA, and the person I was discussing this issue with, fully embrace that the reduction in crime in Virginia over the last five years is related only to increased weapons sales. This seems unlikely.
At one point during the discussion the weapons advocate was asked if they wanted children and teachers they knew to have to go to a school where they were safe only through the presence of more weapons, and to their credit, they answered yes. I am not sure what has happened to "family values," but wanting children to be educated in a war zone does not seem to fit the idea of loving nurture. In fact, from my understanding of the Secret Service's analysis of school shootings and successful intervention/prevention of school shootings, the most important factors are not armed guards and metal detectors, but making students feel welcome, appreciated, listened to, and, dare I say, loved. While I have no desire to slander the brave men and women who protect this country at home and abroad, I have never felt love and acceptance from people who are armed.
A prime example of my lack of trust for armed protectors did not become obvious to me until I began to spend significant time in other nations. When traveling in unfamiliar places, one will become lost. I have, numerous times, asked unarmed police officers for help, and I have always been treated with respect, and felt welcome and appreciated by unarmed police. I have never felt comfortable asking armed police for directions. In Chile, I encountered two types of federal police, friendly, approachable, unarmed police who helped me more than once find my way, and intimidating, unapproachable, heavily armed police who I avoided as if they were gangsters. This was the same country, the same police force, presumably the same training, and the armed ones made me take chances being lost in clearly unsavory neighborhoods, rather than asking for help. All of these police have been on foot, making them very accessible. In the US police are almost always armed, and when they are not in armored cars, they are often astride horses. Horse or car, these police are physically difficult to approach, and armed. I have never approached an American police officer for help. Given my reaction to armed compared to unarmed police, the very suggestion of putting weapons in schools gives me the chills.
In fact, I find it unimaginable to have weapons in schools for other reasons. I will come back to the obvious one that children and tools capable of causing death do not mix. I will begin by stating that in Junior High one of my teachers pulled a knife on me. He was trying to prove a point, because he had heard that in another class I had mentioned that one has to try to think about situations other than your own when trying to understand gun control. He decided that my Constitutional right to free speech and my right to a safe school environment was less important than his right to declare the Constitution 27 words long. This teacher pulled out a knife, and proceeded to point the knife at me, and say "what if I was coming at you with a knife"? Escaping him, apparently, was that he was "coming at me with a knife," and I peacefully responded. He then decided I should be the attacker, and tried to make me take his knife, I refused. The teacher did not lose his job, nor was he reprimanded, and perhaps if there were an unarmed police officer I would have felt safe enough to ask for help. In my mind though, I ask the question, "what if he had a firearm"? Most teachers do not threaten their students with weapons, but I experienced one who did, and I think we should carefully consider what it means to put firearms in the classroom.
My discussion partner found it unimaginable that I would find armed individuals more intimidating than unarmed people. He said that schools would be safer with firearms. I asked how he imagined paying for all of these armed officers in schools, he said you could find plenty of qualified volunteers. In fact, one school did that. After the Newtown tragedy, a school, I forget where, recruited a retired police officer and firearms safety instructor to patrol the halls, armed. The new security measure left his weapon unattended in a restroom, accessible to children. No child found the weapon, and no one was hurt, but certainly it proves the point that firearms do not belong in schools. The weapons advocate was unimpressed.
Weeks after this talk, I would watch a massive manhunt for a former LAPD officer and military member in Southern California on the news. As the death toll rose, and the cost to tax payers to keep people safe from someone who was not only a law-abiding citizen (up to the point he stopped abiding laws), but a trained protector of the weak, I could not help but recall what the qualifications the weapons advocate said could be required to be a volunteer armed guard in a school. "Former soldiers and police officers" would be more than willing to volunteer for this task I was told. No background checks, mental health exams, or further control would be necessary. I could not help but wonder what it would be like if this person had begun his rampage in a school, with a school issued firearm.
This, I think, brings up an important point. The difference between a law-abiding weapons owner and a criminal is simply breaking the law. Admittedly, we have different levels of laws in this country. Most Americans think nothing of speeding, but speed limits are laws, so are any of us truly 100% law abiding? If one rose up against a law that one deemed unconstitutional, would that person be law abiding? Everyone is law abiding until they first break the law. So should the law abiding weapons owner be inconvenienced by the fact that they are making it easier for themselves to become dangerous? I think so, but what is more important is that finding people who are likely to break the law is extremely challenging.
--Part II - Fear will be posted on Monday 4 March.--